Unlicensed B&B's

[egoodell]

Pretty strict!!! And the other B & B owners wouldn't let them get away with it!!! We are small enough that we know everyone and everyone else Someone would turn them in..for sure!!!.

You can't always start legal
.

You can't always start legal

You can't afford not to in my opinion.
Not only are there legal ramifications in some regions, but IF you are doing so without obtaining the right type of Insurance, you are only shooting yourself in the foot. Most 'homeowner' insurance would be VOID if a paying overnight guest files an injury claim, thus leaving the homeowner at risk of loosing everything. Also FYI, an insurance company will void any claim if they find out someone is operating a business in their home which clients come and go. Operating this type of business illegally places everything you have worked for at risk...
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If you are not a risk taker you need to do it by the book.
.

This forum has many aspiring innkeepers coming here for good sound advise. One of the main reasons for my post is to let those out there know the RISK is HIGH if they follow your lead and do this without licensing. This risk you took should not be recommended to anyone, and I do not think that it would be recommended by many (if any other) innkeepers that post here.
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You are correct. If you don't have the stomach and wherewithall for it, and are not willing to risk everything you own, don't do it. On the other hand, if it is you ONLY option when the government decides to make your choices for you as in my case, then if you are not afraid of uncle sam, and I've learned to not be afraid of them, then you do what you have to do.
Things in life are not all cut and dried, and just because the government say so and so, does not necessarily make it the right choice, and last time I checked they are voted in BY the people FOR the people. So if you want something changed, sometimes you just gotta get into the thick of it.
That said, I'd say you are right. 90% of the people out there would never have done what I did, and never should have. Rule followers and people that cannot think outside the box or think critically should not apply. You CAN LOSE EVERYTHING! And if that stuff is what is closest to your heart and you are really worried about losing it and believe you can't succeed all over again you should probably go buy a b&b turn key.
Besides, I'd imagine anyone on this list that is selling their b&b would be a whole lot smarter buy than doing it my way. Turn key, customers coming in the door the first day you are in business, all the hard learned lessons by prior owners in the past, etc etc etc. If I was looking to run a b&b in another location I'd look for a turn key deal. I only did it that way because I had to. The government forced my hand.
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Yes there are rules and laws everywhere. Some of course are foolish but they are still laws. I can not believe your local gov. allowed you to continue if they had already told you NO. Sorry but I just do not believe that you tried to go through the correct channels. If you had been told "no" there are many avenues to take even to take them to court.
Opening illegally has nothing to do with thinking out of the box... but you do not have to buy a turn key either. Just make sure the law is on your side before you buy. Make sure the property is zoned for a B&B or that a variance can be issued. Do you homework and be SMART.
Sorry but I have no tolerance for those that think that they are above the law. I worked hard to be in business and each illegal B&B out there puts B&B's in danger of loosing our business or for more laws that make owning a B&B unattractive. .
.

Well, calling me a liar is of course your privilidge.
However, let me give you a little facts. I don't know what state you are in, but I happen to be in one of, if not the most most restrictive state in the union.
Stage 1
I had 40 acres of land (55now) with one building on it. The government said. That's it, thats all you can build. I said baloney. I built what I wanted w/o their permission.
Stage 2
Government says, you can't do that, tear it down is your only option. (I'm talking with people at the bottom of the food chain in the government at this time)
Stage 3
I talk with government at the top of the food chain and they say Oh building those is ok, matter of fact you can go ahead and build as many as youwant.
the business is the problem
Stage 4
I find out that one of the 6 top government officials in our area of several million people has decided he wants our area to go back to wilderness, hence the reason for the restriction of building, business etc.
I go to him, show him I am a real person, that we are not moving or selling our property to the forest service in this lifetime...etc etc, and finally they agree to let me go thru the legal process to be legal, even though they don't like it because it is reasonable.(I've found most people in government to be reasonable if they are toward the top.)
So, you can kick me off the site if you want since you don't like my way of doing things, but I'm just a little different from the rest. sw
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I will say too that a lot of B&Bs that built or started without compliance (often because their County or Town were not checking small business "back then")have interesting experiences when they want to sell their business which often means they cannot sell it as a B&B unless they find people who don't realize the inn they are buying is not legal or is "grandfathered" in only for the orginal owner .
Suprise suprise when they take over after paying all their savings for a business that they cannot operate once the original owner leaves. I've seen it happen and it's very sad.
Riki

 

[swilson]

Pretty strict!!! And the other B & B owners wouldn't let them get away with it!!! We are small enough that we know everyone and everyone else Someone would turn them in..for sure!!!.

You can't always start legal
.

You can't always start legal

You can't afford not to in my opinion.
Not only are there legal ramifications in some regions, but IF you are doing so without obtaining the right type of Insurance, you are only shooting yourself in the foot. Most 'homeowner' insurance would be VOID if a paying overnight guest files an injury claim, thus leaving the homeowner at risk of loosing everything. Also FYI, an insurance company will void any claim if they find out someone is operating a business in their home which clients come and go. Operating this type of business illegally places everything you have worked for at risk...
.

If you are not a risk taker you need to do it by the book.
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Please do noit take this personally - you did what you did and that is YOUR problem.
However, MY personal opinion is that anyone who does not do this LEGALLY is an IDIOT!!! For the health and safety of your guests - ASPIRINGS ARE YOU LISTENING?? - you must have all permits and licenses. It has nothing to do with taking a risk - we all take a risk just by being innkeepers in the first place. Do not for one minute think i am not a risk taker - I did a start-up in a town where people thought I was deranged when I opened a B & B here. And I did it with ALL my own money - no loans.
It has nothing to do with losing everything I have, it is about the proper measures should one of my guests be hurt - what about the bills if they required medical treatment? Not everyone has insurance (I don't myself!) and it is unconscienable to put another person's future in jeopardy because YOU were not legal and therefore have no insurance coverage!
If you think I am ticked, you are correct. There is no excuse possible in my mind to start a business - especially a B & B - that is not legal. It gives B & Bs a bad name for one thing. It is good I will be away for 5 days. I will probably simmer down by the time I get back.
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Well, it's good to know I'm an idiot and I give good bed and breakfast like yours a bad name. That is certainly why i joined this. To be insulted.
I'm certainly not going to reciprocate.
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Just for the record, no one is going to kick you off the Forum. You seem to be very proud of yourself because you did as you damn well pleased and screw the world.
There are ways to do things - legally. I discovered that my inn was illegal under the Fire Codes - because no one really knew otherwise. The inns that were getting hassled by the Code were in big cities and we thought it was a city thing until one man stood up and said wait a minute. He asked the state association for help. I happened to know a building inspector who KNEW Codes and asked him about it - THAT was when I discovered almost every B & B in the State was illegal under those Codes. I was the spokesman for the group ub the effort to get the Codes changed - we had to go through the Legislature and I expected to have a Fire Marshal at my door! But we went about it correctly and legally. And we won half of our battle. Now most of the B & Bs in my State are legal - I cannot speak for those not in our association.
The reason everyone came unglued was the attitude that you had your dream so the law did not matter. Well my daughter deals every night with people who think what they want is the only thing that matters and they continue to think that even after she has cuffed them and taken them to the station house. If everyone did as they damn well pleased, this would be a place of chaos. We all have dealt with petty bureaucrats and we make it our responsibility to discover what the laws and rules REALLY are and we deal with things LEGALLY. We are constantly fighting the battle for the good name and reputation of B & Bs and every time there is one that operates outside the law, follows their own rules/dreams they hurt the rest of the industry.
Understand this - each innkeeper on this Forum operates legally and we try to be mentors to those who also have a dream, a dream of being innkeepers and everything we tell them is legal, how to check the legals in their State/County, City. If I have offended you I am very sorry, BUT I will offend every time rather than mislead one person. I am proud of my profession and proud of the respect that has been shown me because I have a reputation of being honest and trustworthy and I do believe I would rather die than lose that because if I ever do lose that, I may as well be dead.
Feel free to express opinions - but never, ever insinuate that being anything other than totally legal is acceptable.
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Hats off to your daughter. Did that for 17 years until I just could'nt go to bad news every day anymore. Rough job for a guy. Even rougher for a woman with all they have to put up with. It's a blessing when you raise your kids right and then they choose to do good things you can be proud of.
It was such a shock when I started innkeeping and people were glad to see me and full of joy!
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She does it in the largest and worst district in Chicago - graveyard shift because that is when the action happens. My 5'2", 120 lb daughter can hold her own against the worst scum mainly because she can talk them into the squad car a lot of times. She has the respect of the other cops at the station house - because she earned it - trickle down from the respect her partner is held in because he chose her as his partner.
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Yea, that's one of the reasons I left...moved out of the city working swing shift almost my whole carrer, then stuck working the tiny political town I now live in. Had to move back to the city or move on. Movrd on to innkeeping.
Women like her working the street at night are rare. Most want days or a desk job...but then most seem to be single moms or married to cops who have kids to take care of. Like I said It's a hard enough job for a guy.
Hope she wears a vest. Had a few friends shot, and some refused to wear them. sw
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She was raised by me - she is definitely not stupid - she got the best vest she could buy. AND she wears it! She is so small she has to have her uniforms tailor made. Her size is actually an asset because she lulls jerks into thinking she is not dangerous and then they find out the truth!
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Good for her!

 

[JunieBJones (JBJ)]

Pretty strict!!! And the other B & B owners wouldn't let them get away with it!!! We are small enough that we know everyone and everyone else Someone would turn them in..for sure!!!.

You can't always start legal
.

You can't always start legal

You can't afford not to in my opinion.
Not only are there legal ramifications in some regions, but IF you are doing so without obtaining the right type of Insurance, you are only shooting yourself in the foot. Most 'homeowner' insurance would be VOID if a paying overnight guest files an injury claim, thus leaving the homeowner at risk of loosing everything. Also FYI, an insurance company will void any claim if they find out someone is operating a business in their home which clients come and go. Operating this type of business illegally places everything you have worked for at risk...
.

If you are not a risk taker you need to do it by the book.
.

This forum has many aspiring innkeepers coming here for good sound advise. One of the main reasons for my post is to let those out there know the RISK is HIGH if they follow your lead and do this without licensing. This risk you took should not be recommended to anyone, and I do not think that it would be recommended by many (if any other) innkeepers that post here.
.

You are correct. If you don't have the stomach and wherewithall for it, and are not willing to risk everything you own, don't do it. On the other hand, if it is you ONLY option when the government decides to make your choices for you as in my case, then if you are not afraid of uncle sam, and I've learned to not be afraid of them, then you do what you have to do.
Things in life are not all cut and dried, and just because the government say so and so, does not necessarily make it the right choice, and last time I checked they are voted in BY the people FOR the people. So if you want something changed, sometimes you just gotta get into the thick of it.
That said, I'd say you are right. 90% of the people out there would never have done what I did, and never should have. Rule followers and people that cannot think outside the box or think critically should not apply. You CAN LOSE EVERYTHING! And if that stuff is what is closest to your heart and you are really worried about losing it and believe you can't succeed all over again you should probably go buy a b&b turn key.
Besides, I'd imagine anyone on this list that is selling their b&b would be a whole lot smarter buy than doing it my way. Turn key, customers coming in the door the first day you are in business, all the hard learned lessons by prior owners in the past, etc etc etc. If I was looking to run a b&b in another location I'd look for a turn key deal. I only did it that way because I had to. The government forced my hand.
.

Yes there are rules and laws everywhere. Some of course are foolish but they are still laws. I can not believe your local gov. allowed you to continue if they had already told you NO. Sorry but I just do not believe that you tried to go through the correct channels. If you had been told "no" there are many avenues to take even to take them to court.
Opening illegally has nothing to do with thinking out of the box... but you do not have to buy a turn key either. Just make sure the law is on your side before you buy. Make sure the property is zoned for a B&B or that a variance can be issued. Do you homework and be SMART.
Sorry but I have no tolerance for those that think that they are above the law. I worked hard to be in business and each illegal B&B out there puts B&B's in danger of loosing our business or for more laws that make owning a B&B unattractive. .
.

Well, calling me a liar is of course your privilidge.
However, let me give you a little facts. I don't know what state you are in, but I happen to be in one of, if not the most most restrictive state in the union.
Stage 1
I had 40 acres of land (55now) with one building on it. The government said. That's it, thats all you can build. I said baloney. I built what I wanted w/o their permission.
Stage 2
Government says, you can't do that, tear it down is your only option. (I'm talking with people at the bottom of the food chain in the government at this time)
Stage 3
I talk with government at the top of the food chain and they say Oh building those is ok, matter of fact you can go ahead and build as many as youwant.
the business is the problem
Stage 4
I find out that one of the 6 top government officials in our area of several million people has decided he wants our area to go back to wilderness, hence the reason for the restriction of building, business etc.
I go to him, show him I am a real person, that we are not moving or selling our property to the forest service in this lifetime...etc etc, and finally they agree to let me go thru the legal process to be legal, even though they don't like it because it is reasonable.(I've found most people in government to be reasonable if they are toward the top.)
So, you can kick me off the site if you want since you don't like my way of doing things, but I'm just a little different from the rest. sw
.

I will say too that a lot of B&Bs that built or started without compliance (often because their County or Town were not checking small business "back then")have interesting experiences when they want to sell their business which often means they cannot sell it as a B&B unless they find people who don't realize the inn they are buying is not legal or is "grandfathered" in only for the orginal owner .
Suprise suprise when they take over after paying all their savings for a business that they cannot operate once the original owner leaves. I've seen it happen and it's very sad.
Riki
.

I will say too that a lot of B&Bs that built or started without compliance (often because their County or Town were not checking small business "back then")have interesting experiences when they want to sell their business which often means they cannot sell it as a B&B unless they find people who don't realize the inn they are buying is not legal or is "grandfathered" in only for the orginal owner .
Suprise suprise when they take over after paying all their savings for a business that they cannot operate once the original owner leaves. I've seen it happen and it's very sad.
Riki

That is a very good point for aspirings to realize, and very true. Just because someone in the town ran a B&B doesn't mean it is legit and licensed to operate, esp as is. We looked at a place in NH that like many in those mountains, had EXTRA guest rooms they rented on the sly because they were not 'permitted' to have more than they orig had. If they added guest rooms legally they would have to sprinkler - imagine that! A safety and security measure.
People are shocked and in a hard place when they find out the good ol' boys club allowed one to operate and not the same with new owners.

 

[Samster]

Pretty strict!!! And the other B & B owners wouldn't let them get away with it!!! We are small enough that we know everyone and everyone else Someone would turn them in..for sure!!!.

You can't always start legal
.

You can't always start legal

You can't afford not to in my opinion.
Not only are there legal ramifications in some regions, but IF you are doing so without obtaining the right type of Insurance, you are only shooting yourself in the foot. Most 'homeowner' insurance would be VOID if a paying overnight guest files an injury claim, thus leaving the homeowner at risk of loosing everything. Also FYI, an insurance company will void any claim if they find out someone is operating a business in their home which clients come and go. Operating this type of business illegally places everything you have worked for at risk...
.

If you are not a risk taker you need to do it by the book.
.

This forum has many aspiring innkeepers coming here for good sound advise. One of the main reasons for my post is to let those out there know the RISK is HIGH if they follow your lead and do this without licensing. This risk you took should not be recommended to anyone, and I do not think that it would be recommended by many (if any other) innkeepers that post here.
.

You are correct. If you don't have the stomach and wherewithall for it, and are not willing to risk everything you own, don't do it. On the other hand, if it is you ONLY option when the government decides to make your choices for you as in my case, then if you are not afraid of uncle sam, and I've learned to not be afraid of them, then you do what you have to do.
Things in life are not all cut and dried, and just because the government say so and so, does not necessarily make it the right choice, and last time I checked they are voted in BY the people FOR the people. So if you want something changed, sometimes you just gotta get into the thick of it.
That said, I'd say you are right. 90% of the people out there would never have done what I did, and never should have. Rule followers and people that cannot think outside the box or think critically should not apply. You CAN LOSE EVERYTHING! And if that stuff is what is closest to your heart and you are really worried about losing it and believe you can't succeed all over again you should probably go buy a b&b turn key.
Besides, I'd imagine anyone on this list that is selling their b&b would be a whole lot smarter buy than doing it my way. Turn key, customers coming in the door the first day you are in business, all the hard learned lessons by prior owners in the past, etc etc etc. If I was looking to run a b&b in another location I'd look for a turn key deal. I only did it that way because I had to. The government forced my hand.
.

Yes there are rules and laws everywhere. Some of course are foolish but they are still laws. I can not believe your local gov. allowed you to continue if they had already told you NO. Sorry but I just do not believe that you tried to go through the correct channels. If you had been told "no" there are many avenues to take even to take them to court.
Opening illegally has nothing to do with thinking out of the box... but you do not have to buy a turn key either. Just make sure the law is on your side before you buy. Make sure the property is zoned for a B&B or that a variance can be issued. Do you homework and be SMART.
Sorry but I have no tolerance for those that think that they are above the law. I worked hard to be in business and each illegal B&B out there puts B&B's in danger of loosing our business or for more laws that make owning a B&B unattractive. .
.

Well, calling me a liar is of course your privilidge.
However, let me give you a little facts. I don't know what state you are in, but I happen to be in one of, if not the most most restrictive state in the union.
Stage 1
I had 40 acres of land (55now) with one building on it. The government said. That's it, thats all you can build. I said baloney. I built what I wanted w/o their permission.
Stage 2
Government says, you can't do that, tear it down is your only option. (I'm talking with people at the bottom of the food chain in the government at this time)
Stage 3
I talk with government at the top of the food chain and they say Oh building those is ok, matter of fact you can go ahead and build as many as youwant.
the business is the problem
Stage 4
I find out that one of the 6 top government officials in our area of several million people has decided he wants our area to go back to wilderness, hence the reason for the restriction of building, business etc.
I go to him, show him I am a real person, that we are not moving or selling our property to the forest service in this lifetime...etc etc, and finally they agree to let me go thru the legal process to be legal, even though they don't like it because it is reasonable.(I've found most people in government to be reasonable if they are toward the top.)
So, you can kick me off the site if you want since you don't like my way of doing things, but I'm just a little different from the rest. sw
.

I will say too that a lot of B&Bs that built or started without compliance (often because their County or Town were not checking small business "back then")have interesting experiences when they want to sell their business which often means they cannot sell it as a B&B unless they find people who don't realize the inn they are buying is not legal or is "grandfathered" in only for the orginal owner .
Suprise suprise when they take over after paying all their savings for a business that they cannot operate once the original owner leaves. I've seen it happen and it's very sad.
Riki
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Lot of folks in CA Wine Country who were operating too many rooms (not licensed) got caught in that when they went to sell.

 

[Morticia]

Pretty strict!!! And the other B & B owners wouldn't let them get away with it!!! We are small enough that we know everyone and everyone else Someone would turn them in..for sure!!!.

You can't always start legal
.

You can't always start legal

You can't afford not to in my opinion.
Not only are there legal ramifications in some regions, but IF you are doing so without obtaining the right type of Insurance, you are only shooting yourself in the foot. Most 'homeowner' insurance would be VOID if a paying overnight guest files an injury claim, thus leaving the homeowner at risk of loosing everything. Also FYI, an insurance company will void any claim if they find out someone is operating a business in their home which clients come and go. Operating this type of business illegally places everything you have worked for at risk...
.

If you are not a risk taker you need to do it by the book.
.

This forum has many aspiring innkeepers coming here for good sound advise. One of the main reasons for my post is to let those out there know the RISK is HIGH if they follow your lead and do this without licensing. This risk you took should not be recommended to anyone, and I do not think that it would be recommended by many (if any other) innkeepers that post here.
.

You are correct. If you don't have the stomach and wherewithall for it, and are not willing to risk everything you own, don't do it. On the other hand, if it is you ONLY option when the government decides to make your choices for you as in my case, then if you are not afraid of uncle sam, and I've learned to not be afraid of them, then you do what you have to do.
Things in life are not all cut and dried, and just because the government say so and so, does not necessarily make it the right choice, and last time I checked they are voted in BY the people FOR the people. So if you want something changed, sometimes you just gotta get into the thick of it.
That said, I'd say you are right. 90% of the people out there would never have done what I did, and never should have. Rule followers and people that cannot think outside the box or think critically should not apply. You CAN LOSE EVERYTHING! And if that stuff is what is closest to your heart and you are really worried about losing it and believe you can't succeed all over again you should probably go buy a b&b turn key.
Besides, I'd imagine anyone on this list that is selling their b&b would be a whole lot smarter buy than doing it my way. Turn key, customers coming in the door the first day you are in business, all the hard learned lessons by prior owners in the past, etc etc etc. If I was looking to run a b&b in another location I'd look for a turn key deal. I only did it that way because I had to. The government forced my hand.
.

Yes there are rules and laws everywhere. Some of course are foolish but they are still laws. I can not believe your local gov. allowed you to continue if they had already told you NO. Sorry but I just do not believe that you tried to go through the correct channels. If you had been told "no" there are many avenues to take even to take them to court.
Opening illegally has nothing to do with thinking out of the box... but you do not have to buy a turn key either. Just make sure the law is on your side before you buy. Make sure the property is zoned for a B&B or that a variance can be issued. Do you homework and be SMART.
Sorry but I have no tolerance for those that think that they are above the law. I worked hard to be in business and each illegal B&B out there puts B&B's in danger of loosing our business or for more laws that make owning a B&B unattractive. .
.

Well, calling me a liar is of course your privilidge.
However, let me give you a little facts. I don't know what state you are in, but I happen to be in one of, if not the most most restrictive state in the union.
Stage 1
I had 40 acres of land (55now) with one building on it. The government said. That's it, thats all you can build. I said baloney. I built what I wanted w/o their permission.
Stage 2
Government says, you can't do that, tear it down is your only option. (I'm talking with people at the bottom of the food chain in the government at this time)
Stage 3
I talk with government at the top of the food chain and they say Oh building those is ok, matter of fact you can go ahead and build as many as youwant.
the business is the problem
Stage 4
I find out that one of the 6 top government officials in our area of several million people has decided he wants our area to go back to wilderness, hence the reason for the restriction of building, business etc.
I go to him, show him I am a real person, that we are not moving or selling our property to the forest service in this lifetime...etc etc, and finally they agree to let me go thru the legal process to be legal, even though they don't like it because it is reasonable.(I've found most people in government to be reasonable if they are toward the top.)
So, you can kick me off the site if you want since you don't like my way of doing things, but I'm just a little different from the rest. sw
.

I will say too that a lot of B&Bs that built or started without compliance (often because their County or Town were not checking small business "back then")have interesting experiences when they want to sell their business which often means they cannot sell it as a B&B unless they find people who don't realize the inn they are buying is not legal or is "grandfathered" in only for the orginal owner .
Suprise suprise when they take over after paying all their savings for a business that they cannot operate once the original owner leaves. I've seen it happen and it's very sad.
Riki
.

I will say too that a lot of B&Bs that built or started without compliance (often because their County or Town were not checking small business "back then")have interesting experiences when they want to sell their business which often means they cannot sell it as a B&B unless they find people who don't realize the inn they are buying is not legal or is "grandfathered" in only for the orginal owner .
Suprise suprise when they take over after paying all their savings for a business that they cannot operate once the original owner leaves. I've seen it happen and it's very sad.
Riki

That is a very good point for aspirings to realize, and very true. Just because someone in the town ran a B&B doesn't mean it is legit and licensed to operate, esp as is. We looked at a place in NH that like many in those mountains, had EXTRA guest rooms they rented on the sly because they were not 'permitted' to have more than they orig had. If they added guest rooms legally they would have to sprinkler - imagine that! A safety and security measure.
People are shocked and in a hard place when they find out the good ol' boys club allowed one to operate and not the same with new owners.
.

We ran into that in NH, too. (Probably the same places you looked!) Owners living in the basement to rent out their personal space to make extra money. They show you the books, but I certainly wasn't going to live like that, so I would have to knock $10-20k off what the place was making to figure out what I would make. One owner was living in the laundry room and renting out her kids' bedrooms, posters and all. She had a housekeeper on an H2B visa and she used to make HER sleep on the floor to rent out her room.

 

[riverbendnewbie]

This is interesting because where I live they have stepped backwards and now there are no laws that state you have to go and get licensed. just changed it this Jan. which really ticks me off because I jumped through all the hoops to get a 4 star rating. Making me think twice about going throgh them again when I can register on many B&B seach engines.

 

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