Morticia
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Yea, I definitely will not be remaking breakfast for people, unless we screwed it up. They will know what they are getting before it is prepped. On the other hand, I don't plan to only have one thing available.It's good to think ahead and plan how to attack each problem.For pork it's Jews, Muslims, Seventh-Day Adventists, Eastern Coptics, etc....Amazing how much you learn from reading. Also, getting confirmations!There can be several things going on here - guests who pay more expect more, those weekends are a certain type of guest because of a certain event in town, you're doing more than usual and it feels like you're not getting an improved ROI on the experience.
We have certain weekends that bring in a group of people who are not traveling together but are here for the same purpose. They sometimes take a lot out of us and they never tip, ever. Same group, almost the same guests came for 5 years. Yes, they repeated for 5 years, so good for us, they liked it here. But of all the weekends in the summer, those 2 were the ones with the most trash, the least respect for us and the entire town and zero tips.
That particular group is no longer coming and we don't really even get anyone from that cohort any longer. If we do, it's one room so the other guests dampen down the 'group mentality'. I miss the individual guests, and often wonder what they're up to, but I don't miss them as a whole.
Otherwise, overall, it's a certain type of guest that causes the grief - the guest who really wanted to stay at the fancy hotel but waited too long to make the rez; the guest who only gets 2 weeks' vacation and it's raining during their one week here; the guest who waited too long to make a rez anywhere and now is 'stuck' with a B&B instead of getting a nice hotel.
That doesn't always come out on the phone but sometimes it does. I can suggest options they may not have found on their own, but many of them are worried there's 'no place to stay' and they book anyway..And those are the kind of guests that cause me the most heartache. I do take it to heart if what we offer is not what the guest really wanted. It is bad for my mental health and I have learned to send them to other places that I know are better for them. I don't like to see unhappy faces staring at other guests, trying to bring them "to their side" (I think too much)Morticia said:Otherwise, overall, it's a certain type of guest that causes the grief - the guest who really wanted to stay at the fancy hotel but waited too long to make the rez; the guest who only gets 2 weeks' vacation and it's raining during their one week here; the guest who waited too long to make a rez anywhere and now is 'stuck' with a B&B instead of getting a nice hotel.
That doesn't always come out on the phone but sometimes it does. I can suggest options they may not have found on their own, but many of them are worried there's 'no place to stay' and they book anyway.
But occasionally someone slips in and I wish I could make them leave.
.I am wondering about one that is here now. Two friends traveling together - one is 'hey let's try this' and the other is 'I don't want to do anything unusual.'Iris said:But occasionally someone slips in and I wish I could make them leave.
Started off with absolutely refuses to eat anything with these ingredients (list here) and then kept adding to it as I did the check-in. (Not allergies, refuses to eat because, well, who knows why.)
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My starting breakfast strategy (food issues) is essentially eliminate triggers and offer 1 alternate:
==> Remove top 10 disliked foods (there are a few lists out there)
==> Remove/Have alternative for top allergens (peanuts, tree nuts, dairy, eggs, wheat, soy, fish, shellfish)
==> Keep calories in mind for the Weight Watcher crowd.
==> Keep health in mind for the naturalists. Keep out most processed foods.
==> Keep green in mind. Organic, if not insane cost. Locally sourced, as possible.
==> Not live far from NY (Jewish/Muslims), not strategy yet for Kosher or Halal. Obviously, sausage/bacon is an issue!
With dairy & egg alternates, I also am helping vegans and lactose intolerant. And Paleo, for dairy.
With GF wheat alternate (corn, etc), I also placate people with gluten and nongluten problems as well as Paleo.
It is my intent to greatly reduce the don't eat/allergic issue and appeal to a broad spectrum with menu planning.
For those who fall outside these strategies, as many say here "Chef's choice."
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Did you remember the Mormons with no stimulants? Caffeine free Coke, Herbal Tea, Decaf coffee, etc. (I make a Bacon Marmalade that they can't have because it has coffee in it.)
I haven't had anyone ever tell me that they are on WW. I have had diabetics who were low sugar. And I absolutely refuse to do low carb... sorry, not here. They can have what's made or they can get from the other items we have. I don't do low carb ever!
You forgot the egg people... let's see there are the egg protein allergens, the egg white intolerant. Lactose intolerant and the milk protein intolerant (yup, that's a thing.)
And then there is a "Muslim ascetics and Sufis"... those usually visit Madelaine.... they tell you that they have X allergy but they are just "fakirs". And you will see them eating everything that they said they couldn't have, later in the day.
..Jon Sable said:Did you remember the Mormons with no stimulants? Caffeine free Coke, Herbal Tea, Decaf coffee, etc. (I make a Bacon Marmalade that they can't have because it has coffee in it.)
I plan to focus on offering tea/coffee/soda that is Caffeine Free and Sugar Free (splenda). They will need to request caffeinated. The idea is to focus on people with the problems, not the people who do not care. I have tried coke zero and diet mountain dew on a few people, and they never mentioned the difference.
I haven't had anyone ever tell me that they are on WW.
By Weightwatchers, I was really referring to people who have weight issues or are dieting. Over half the United States is considered obese. There is a ton of people concerned with the calorie/fat/salt content of foods. It is a competitive advantage if your offerings taste good and also is good for dieters. There are many good substitutes - applesauce for fat, yogurt for sour cream, etc.
You forgot the egg people... let's see there are the egg protein allergens, the egg white intolerant. Lactose intolerant and the milk protein intolerant (yup, that's a thing.)
Eggs were in the list. The ingredient lists I gave substituted for eggs. But as I plan to have alternates, I do plan to offer eggs. I used to be lactose intolerant, so I am more on their side.
And then there is a "Muslim ascetics and Sufis"... those usually visit Madelaine.... they tell you that they have X allergy but they are just "fakirs". And you will see them eating everything that they said they couldn't have, later in the day.
If properly designed, it doesn't matter what they tell me. By designing it with all food triggers in mind, I think I can handle almost any allergy, intolerance, dislike, or preference. The issue with observing Jews/Muslims is, you cannot just substitute. It often must be Kosher/Halal, and prepared in a special kitchen/way. So not sure how to handle.
I've got about 5 food peeves we get hit with each summer at the table. Not in advance, but as the plate hits the table. "We don't eat potatoes for breakfast, make us something else," was probably the rudest and most annoying thing ever. Because it was a demand, not a request, because it was shouted at me, because there were other guests still waiting to eat, because you don't act that way in a foreign country! That was a strata type dish meant to avoid gluten issues. Those same guests dented my car so maybe I'm still upset about that, too.
Peeves:
Now that you've got breakfast down we can throw something else at you to think about. ;-)
- No shows for breakfast who had to have something completely different made especially for them
- Guests who 'remember' they can't eat something after it's served to them
- Guests who are on a fad diet that we can actually accommodate who decide the 'real' breakfast looks good and want it instead of what they said they could eat
- The fakirs that Jon mentioned - can't have x, demand you don't use x then rave about eating x at every restaurant looking for the best version of x
- Guests who request specific brands or kinds of food - especially prevalent with types of almond milk and organic foods.
- Guests who ask, "what's for breakfast?" then say they want something different, in front of all the other guests who are graciously eating something they might not have chosen but hey, when in Rome, and all that
Cleaning supplies, pillow menus, 100% cotton vs blends, number of towels per guest.
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I am getting interested in the concept of having a handful of pre-baked ramekins in deep freeze. Plus, things that can be made in a flash - our exotic cereal blend, waffles, etc.
"New breakfast? That is a $10 charge. Would you like me to wrap the one you ordered to go?"
I seriously don't intend to kowtow to the self-centered.
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Observation: We used to tell guests what was for breakfast the night before. It was posted. (We have guests who still look at the board to see what the breakfast is.) Then we stopped telling what was for breakfast. Requests for something different dropped perceptibly, which surprised me. Turns out, it seems, guests will talk themselves out of something if they can think about it in advance.undersea said:Yea, I definitely will not be remaking breakfast for people, unless we screwed it up. They will know what they are getting before it is prepped. On the other hand, I don't plan to only have one thing available. I am getting interested in the concept of having a handful of pre-baked ramekins in deep freeze. Plus, things that can be made in a flash - our exotic cereal blend, waffles, etc. "New breakfast? That is a $10 charge. Would you like me to wrap the one you ordered to go?" I seriously don't intend to kowtow to the self-centered.
Observation: The guests who demand something different always do it in a full dining room with everyone else listening intently to how you are handling it. (If your wife is cooking and serving on her own, this will be tricky. If I had a dining room full of guests, was cooking and serving on my own and had been sweating over breakfast for an hour or more, someone might be wearing that breakfast.)
Even requests for 'extra' whatever go to the bottom of the list. "These other folks need to be fed before we can think about seconds."