Just want to get this right regarding allowing service dogs in your B&B......

[muirford]

EXACTLY my POINT!-- you cannot KNOW what the animal will potentially do. Good reason not to have them in your B&B. Ultimately, humans are responsible for their dogs, and humans are responsible for humans (that's a whole other topic).
Samster, nobody loves animals more than me. I just don't want them in a bed that other guests are paying top dollar for..

Did you read this last point on the ADA website?
Can I exclude an animal that doesn't really seem dangerous but is disruptive to my business?

A: There may be a few circumstances when a public accommodation is not required to accommodate a service animal--that is, when doing so would result in a fundamental alteration to the nature of the business. Generally, this is not likely to occur in restaurants, hotels, retail stores, theaters, concert halls, and sports facilities. But when it does, for example, when a dog barks during a movie, the animal can be excluded.
IF a dog barks, the animal can be excluded. You cannot exclude it because you think it might bark. The second sentence specifically say this exclusion is not likely to occur in hotels. I'd bet the ADA would say that if your dogs got territorial with a service animal, you would be in the wrong for not controlling them. Sorry, but you are on the losing end of this argument.
I don't take dogs but when I was told a blind guest would have a service dog, I took the reservation with no complaint.
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Yes, I read this. Basically it says that you don't have to accommodate a service animal if doing so will alterate the nature of your business".
A service animal WOULD, ABSOLUTELY, alterate the nature of my business. So there you have it.
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Whatever - you seem determined to interpret the way that suits you, without regard for the statement that specifically states it would not alter (alterate isn't actually a word in English) the nature of the business of a hotel. Good luck proving that you are so different from a hotel - and that you are apparently prescient about what a service dog will do or not do in your B&B. Let's just be clear that you are the only one interpreting those regs that way, so that some unaware aspiring innkeeper won't get sucked into turning away a service animal and getting slapped with a lawsuit.
I suspect if you truly used one of your beloved dogs as a service dog for a disability and were refused entrance to accommodations because of it you would sing a different tune.
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muirford, when I bring my dog to nursing homes and children's hospitals, it's a whole different thing. It has nothing to do with what we are talking about here.
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Trust me, I know the difference between service animals and dogs that go to nursing homes, and I know which category your dogs fall into. You brought that up as a parallel, not me. I worked in corporate human resources for more than 10 years, some of it in New York, and I have more than a passing knowledge of ADA requirements and issues.
No one here is out of line for pointing out the fallacies and misinformation that you are spouting - we are all happy to leave you to your own devices in turning away service dogs. No one is interested in trying to change your mind any longer; we would just like to make sure that no one else makes the same mistake that you seem determined to make.
You obviously didn't pay any attention to this thread a few weeks ago, either - https://www.innspiring.com/node/493
Canada's laws are not much different than ours in this area.

 

[user 26]

I have no problem accepting a legitimate service dog for an actual disability.
What irks me (and gets dh's undies in a bunch) is the thought that unscrupulous people may transform their beloved pet into a service animal for the sole purpose of traveling with said pet free of charge at any accommodation they desire, with no argument. Since we have no way of sorting the real from the fake, it won't matter. If someone shows up at my door with the animal, then we'll just have to assume they're legit.
It's also annoying that there's a law that says we have to take them, even though we wouldn't turn away a blind person with a well trained service dog anyway. Like many laws, the purpose is noble, but too many people use it to their advantage. In a similar vein, I've known plenty of perfectly mobile persons with handicap decals to hang in their cars. But what can you do?
=)
Kk..

i had an idea as i was waking up and thought i'd share it in here .... and it's gone!!!

 

[JunieBJones (JBJ)]

i am the one who had guests arrive with a dog ... unprepared for.
regardless of legitimate service animal or not, i feel it was impolite to give me no advance notice. the other guests with service animals have each told me in advance and i changed the linens to things that are more easily cleaned. still nice things, but not the white puffs, etc.
when i said we don't take dogs, they told me it was a service animal, that they had papers for the dog, that i could not deny them accommodation, etc. and it seemed to me they were gearing up for a confrontation. i studied the law as it pertains to me a couple years ago and i just let them into the room. there was no damage ... when they checked out, i laundered all that could be laundered in case of a random flea or fur esp. because i say we don't take any pets so a future guest with an allergy might encounter something
i cannot decline to have the guest with a service animal stay here because of my size. i cannot demand to see papers or ask what the disability is. i have had other service animals here, except for the fact that they were animals, there was no disruption.
i questionned (in here) whether or not this little dog was actually a service animal because the morning after the stay it was aggressive toward a dog on a leash .... and properly trained service animals do not act this way. but the visit was just about over. if it had behaved like that early on, i might have had grounds to ask the guests to find other accommodations.
yes, i was concerned that this little pooch might have had an accident in the room but it appears it did not. i am ALWAYS concerned that a service animal might have an accident. so far, no problem. i do extra laundry of all possible linens and things because of the issues above. it irks me that i cannot charge for the extra cleaning i feel compelled to do after the dog checks out, but that is the law ...
the ironic thing is i Love dogs and i like cats but i don't have one!

i grew up with a dog and cat in the house. had them for years.
~m*.

i am the one who had guests arrive with a dog ... unprepared for.
regardless of legitimate service animal or not, i feel it was impolite to give me no advance notice. the other guests with service animals have each told me in advance and i changed the linens to things that are more easily cleaned. still nice things, but not the white puffs, etc.
when i said we don't take dogs, they told me it was a service animal, that they had papers for the dog, that i could not deny them accommodation, etc. and it seemed to me they were gearing up for a confrontation. i studied the law as it pertains to me a couple years ago and i just let them into the room. there was no damage ... when they checked out, i laundered all that could be laundered in case of a random flea or fur esp. because i say we don't take any pets so a future guest with an allergy might encounter something
i cannot decline to have the guest with a service animal stay here because of my size. i cannot demand to see papers or ask what the disability is. i have had other service animals here, except for the fact that they were animals, there was no disruption.
i questionned (in here) whether or not this little dog was actually a service animal because the morning after the stay it was aggressive toward a dog on a leash .... and properly trained service animals do not act this way. but the visit was just about over. if it had behaved like that early on, i might have had grounds to ask the guests to find other accommodations.
yes, i was concerned that this little pooch might have had an accident in the room but it appears it did not. i am ALWAYS concerned that a service animal might have an accident. so far, no problem. i do extra laundry of all possible linens and things because of the issues above. it irks me that i cannot charge for the extra cleaning i feel compelled to do after the dog checks out, but that is the law ...
the ironic thing is i Love dogs and i like cats but i don't have one!

i grew up with a dog and cat in the house. had them for years.
~m*

Their service animal gets up at 11pm and pours them cocktails. Different kind of service animal. LOL

 

[ginocat]

EXACTLY my POINT!-- you cannot KNOW what the animal will potentially do. Good reason not to have them in your B&B. Ultimately, humans are responsible for their dogs, and humans are responsible for humans (that's a whole other topic).
Samster, nobody loves animals more than me. I just don't want them in a bed that other guests are paying top dollar for..

I've never seen a badly behaved guide dog. I've seen many terrible and badly behaved humans and thank goodness the law states that in Canada they can't pack a gun in with them.
Really Trish, I don't get you on this one. In fact I've stayed at BB's where the owners dogs were badly behaved ... jumping on me, begging for food in the dining room, etc. etc. I could go so far as to say that the only well-behaved dogs I've really seen are working dogs.

 

[swirt]

EXACTLY my POINT!-- you cannot KNOW what the animal will potentially do. Good reason not to have them in your B&B. Ultimately, humans are responsible for their dogs, and humans are responsible for humans (that's a whole other topic).
Samster, nobody loves animals more than me. I just don't want them in a bed that other guests are paying top dollar for..

Did you read this last point on the ADA website?
Can I exclude an animal that doesn't really seem dangerous but is disruptive to my business?

A: There may be a few circumstances when a public accommodation is not required to accommodate a service animal--that is, when doing so would result in a fundamental alteration to the nature of the business. Generally, this is not likely to occur in restaurants, hotels, retail stores, theaters, concert halls, and sports facilities. But when it does, for example, when a dog barks during a movie, the animal can be excluded.
IF a dog barks, the animal can be excluded. You cannot exclude it because you think it might bark. The second sentence specifically say this exclusion is not likely to occur in hotels. I'd bet the ADA would say that if your dogs got territorial with a service animal, you would be in the wrong for not controlling them. Sorry, but you are on the losing end of this argument.
I don't take dogs but when I was told a blind guest would have a service dog, I took the reservation with no complaint.
.

Yes, I read this. Basically it says that you don't have to accommodate a service animal if doing so will alterate the nature of your business".
A service animal WOULD, ABSOLUTELY, alterate the nature of my business. So there you have it.
.

Yes, I read this. Basically it says that you don't have to accommodate a service animal if doing so will alterate the nature of your business".
A service animal WOULD, ABSOLUTELY, alterate the nature of my business. So there you have it.

I don't think the word alterate is going to win any lawsuits. It specifically says hotels (of which B&B's I am afraid are more similar than not) are exempt from being able to use the exclusion you are trying to use. I am reasonably certain (especially in NY State) that if you ever use this method you are proposing to deny access to a service animal, someone else will end up owning your house.
Honestly, good luck with the argument and you are free to choose your own path, but for anyone else reading this post, the legality of what you are proposing will not hold up. And given the way pages on this site show up in search engines already, I can pretty much guarantee you will have a few people with service animals making reservations just hoping you'll do what you are proposing.
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Swirt, didn't think you would correct me for spelling a word wrong, lol especially when you knew what I meant. I think "alterate" is a good word. Should be added to the dictonary.
What "exclusion" am I trying to use? What "method"? What am I "proposing" to do?
"Someone is going to end up owning my house!!?" Are you a lawyer. ? I can't believe you said that.
That's what I'm trying to prevent -- being sued. People on this website look up to you and I don't think you should be making these statements.
You are WAY out of line here. Your guarantee that people with service animals will be making reservations to our B&B -- WAY, WAY out of line.
People with service animals calling our B&B will be treated with the utmost respect.
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What "exclusion" am I trying to use? What "method"? What am I "proposing" to do?

Sorry Trisha, I think a word order typo in your original post made it read like a declaration instead of a question.
You wrote: " you can deny them because the service dog can "potentially" be disruptive"
but I think you might have meant was a question "can you deny them because the service dog can "potentially" be disruptive".
As a declaration it got many of us hot under the collar because it was a declaration that is completely illegal. If it was a question (as hinted at by the question mark), rather than a declaration, it was a good question, because the answer would be "No you can not legally deny a service animal (dog or other) because they can be potentially disruptive."
My apologies if my "guarantee" sounded like a threat. I meant it as a prediction of human behavior, not a threat.

 

[JunieBJones (JBJ)]

EXACTLY my POINT!-- you cannot KNOW what the animal will potentially do. Good reason not to have them in your B&B. Ultimately, humans are responsible for their dogs, and humans are responsible for humans (that's a whole other topic).
Samster, nobody loves animals more than me. I just don't want them in a bed that other guests are paying top dollar for..

I've never seen a badly behaved guide dog. I've seen many terrible and badly behaved humans and thank goodness the law states that in Canada they can't pack a gun in with them.
Really Trish, I don't get you on this one. In fact I've stayed at BB's where the owners dogs were badly behaved ... jumping on me, begging for food in the dining room, etc. etc. I could go so far as to say that the only well-behaved dogs I've really seen are working dogs.
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I've never seen a badly behaved guide dog. I've seen many terrible and badly behaved humans and thank goodness the law states that in Canada they can't pack a gun in with them.
Really Trish, I don't get you on this one. In fact I've stayed at BB's where the owners dogs were badly behaved ... jumping on me, begging for food in the dining room, etc. etc. I could go so far as to say that the only well-behaved dogs I've really seen are working dogs.

We stayed at one where the owners two small dogs barked at everyone, all the time. When you arrived they barked, whenever they saw you they barked, when they were in their backyard fenced in - they barked. It was not CUTE at all. Plus there are certain breeds that I find to be atrocious lab-animals anyway. I won't say which ones, but we might all agree on that!

 

[gillumhouse]

EXACTLY my POINT!-- you cannot KNOW what the animal will potentially do. Good reason not to have them in your B&B. Ultimately, humans are responsible for their dogs, and humans are responsible for humans (that's a whole other topic).
Samster, nobody loves animals more than me. I just don't want them in a bed that other guests are paying top dollar for..

Did you read this last point on the ADA website?
Can I exclude an animal that doesn't really seem dangerous but is disruptive to my business?

A: There may be a few circumstances when a public accommodation is not required to accommodate a service animal--that is, when doing so would result in a fundamental alteration to the nature of the business. Generally, this is not likely to occur in restaurants, hotels, retail stores, theaters, concert halls, and sports facilities. But when it does, for example, when a dog barks during a movie, the animal can be excluded.
IF a dog barks, the animal can be excluded. You cannot exclude it because you think it might bark. The second sentence specifically say this exclusion is not likely to occur in hotels. I'd bet the ADA would say that if your dogs got territorial with a service animal, you would be in the wrong for not controlling them. Sorry, but you are on the losing end of this argument.
I don't take dogs but when I was told a blind guest would have a service dog, I took the reservation with no complaint.
.

Yes, I read this. Basically it says that you don't have to accommodate a service animal if doing so will alterate the nature of your business".
A service animal WOULD, ABSOLUTELY, alterate the nature of my business. So there you have it.
.

Yes, I read this. Basically it says that you don't have to accommodate a service animal if doing so will alterate the nature of your business".
A service animal WOULD, ABSOLUTELY, alterate the nature of my business. So there you have it.

I don't think the word alterate is going to win any lawsuits. It specifically says hotels (of which B&B's I am afraid are more similar than not) are exempt from being able to use the exclusion you are trying to use. I am reasonably certain (especially in NY State) that if you ever use this method you are proposing to deny access to a service animal, someone else will end up owning your house.
Honestly, good luck with the argument and you are free to choose your own path, but for anyone else reading this post, the legality of what you are proposing will not hold up. And given the way pages on this site show up in search engines already, I can pretty much guarantee you will have a few people with service animals making reservations just hoping you'll do what you are proposing.
.

Swirt, didn't think you would correct me for spelling a word wrong, lol especially when you knew what I meant. I think "alterate" is a good word. Should be added to the dictonary.
What "exclusion" am I trying to use? What "method"? What am I "proposing" to do?
"Someone is going to end up owning my house!!?" Are you a lawyer. ? I can't believe you said that.
That's what I'm trying to prevent -- being sued. People on this website look up to you and I don't think you should be making these statements.
You are WAY out of line here. Your guarantee that people with service animals will be making reservations to our B&B -- WAY, WAY out of line.
People with service animals calling our B&B will be treated with the utmost respect.
.

I am going to say this and be done with it. To read the riot act to Swirt is TOTALLY out of line.
As for a question of potential dog problems - I was one of the main ones to told you the YOU had POTENTIAL problems because of your behemoths. You arethe one who is always in potential danger from lawsuits because of your Saints. My DH was attacked by one while visiting a friend. I know first hand. It did not like the way he walked - with a squeak and a linp from his brace.
I try to be polite but BACK OFF in telling Swirt off!!

 

[trishany]

EXACTLY my POINT!-- you cannot KNOW what the animal will potentially do. Good reason not to have them in your B&B. Ultimately, humans are responsible for their dogs, and humans are responsible for humans (that's a whole other topic).
Samster, nobody loves animals more than me. I just don't want them in a bed that other guests are paying top dollar for..

Did you read this last point on the ADA website?
Can I exclude an animal that doesn't really seem dangerous but is disruptive to my business?

A: There may be a few circumstances when a public accommodation is not required to accommodate a service animal--that is, when doing so would result in a fundamental alteration to the nature of the business. Generally, this is not likely to occur in restaurants, hotels, retail stores, theaters, concert halls, and sports facilities. But when it does, for example, when a dog barks during a movie, the animal can be excluded.
IF a dog barks, the animal can be excluded. You cannot exclude it because you think it might bark. The second sentence specifically say this exclusion is not likely to occur in hotels. I'd bet the ADA would say that if your dogs got territorial with a service animal, you would be in the wrong for not controlling them. Sorry, but you are on the losing end of this argument.
I don't take dogs but when I was told a blind guest would have a service dog, I took the reservation with no complaint.
.

Yes, I read this. Basically it says that you don't have to accommodate a service animal if doing so will alterate the nature of your business".
A service animal WOULD, ABSOLUTELY, alterate the nature of my business. So there you have it.
.

Yes, I read this. Basically it says that you don't have to accommodate a service animal if doing so will alterate the nature of your business".
A service animal WOULD, ABSOLUTELY, alterate the nature of my business. So there you have it.

I don't think the word alterate is going to win any lawsuits. It specifically says hotels (of which B&B's I am afraid are more similar than not) are exempt from being able to use the exclusion you are trying to use. I am reasonably certain (especially in NY State) that if you ever use this method you are proposing to deny access to a service animal, someone else will end up owning your house.
Honestly, good luck with the argument and you are free to choose your own path, but for anyone else reading this post, the legality of what you are proposing will not hold up. And given the way pages on this site show up in search engines already, I can pretty much guarantee you will have a few people with service animals making reservations just hoping you'll do what you are proposing.
.

Swirt, didn't think you would correct me for spelling a word wrong, lol especially when you knew what I meant. I think "alterate" is a good word. Should be added to the dictonary.
What "exclusion" am I trying to use? What "method"? What am I "proposing" to do?
"Someone is going to end up owning my house!!?" Are you a lawyer. ? I can't believe you said that.
That's what I'm trying to prevent -- being sued. People on this website look up to you and I don't think you should be making these statements.
You are WAY out of line here. Your guarantee that people with service animals will be making reservations to our B&B -- WAY, WAY out of line.
People with service animals calling our B&B will be treated with the utmost respect.
.

What "exclusion" am I trying to use? What "method"? What am I "proposing" to do?

Sorry Trisha, I think a word order typo in your original post made it read like a declaration instead of a question.
You wrote: " you can deny them because the service dog can "potentially" be disruptive"
but I think you might have meant was a question "can you deny them because the service dog can "potentially" be disruptive".
As a declaration it got many of us hot under the collar because it was a declaration that is completely illegal. If it was a question (as hinted at by the question mark), rather than a declaration, it was a good question, because the answer would be "No you can not legally deny a service animal (dog or other) because they can be potentially disruptive."
My apologies if my "guarantee" sounded like a threat. I meant it as a prediction of human behavior, not a threat.
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Swirt, thank you. I apologize too if I got everyone hot under the collar.

 

[trishany]

EXACTLY my POINT!-- you cannot KNOW what the animal will potentially do. Good reason not to have them in your B&B. Ultimately, humans are responsible for their dogs, and humans are responsible for humans (that's a whole other topic).
Samster, nobody loves animals more than me. I just don't want them in a bed that other guests are paying top dollar for..

Did you read this last point on the ADA website?
Can I exclude an animal that doesn't really seem dangerous but is disruptive to my business?

A: There may be a few circumstances when a public accommodation is not required to accommodate a service animal--that is, when doing so would result in a fundamental alteration to the nature of the business. Generally, this is not likely to occur in restaurants, hotels, retail stores, theaters, concert halls, and sports facilities. But when it does, for example, when a dog barks during a movie, the animal can be excluded.
IF a dog barks, the animal can be excluded. You cannot exclude it because you think it might bark. The second sentence specifically say this exclusion is not likely to occur in hotels. I'd bet the ADA would say that if your dogs got territorial with a service animal, you would be in the wrong for not controlling them. Sorry, but you are on the losing end of this argument.
I don't take dogs but when I was told a blind guest would have a service dog, I took the reservation with no complaint.
.

Yes, I read this. Basically it says that you don't have to accommodate a service animal if doing so will alterate the nature of your business".
A service animal WOULD, ABSOLUTELY, alterate the nature of my business. So there you have it.
.

Yes, I read this. Basically it says that you don't have to accommodate a service animal if doing so will alterate the nature of your business".
A service animal WOULD, ABSOLUTELY, alterate the nature of my business. So there you have it.

I don't think the word alterate is going to win any lawsuits. It specifically says hotels (of which B&B's I am afraid are more similar than not) are exempt from being able to use the exclusion you are trying to use. I am reasonably certain (especially in NY State) that if you ever use this method you are proposing to deny access to a service animal, someone else will end up owning your house.
Honestly, good luck with the argument and you are free to choose your own path, but for anyone else reading this post, the legality of what you are proposing will not hold up. And given the way pages on this site show up in search engines already, I can pretty much guarantee you will have a few people with service animals making reservations just hoping you'll do what you are proposing.
.

Swirt, didn't think you would correct me for spelling a word wrong, lol especially when you knew what I meant. I think "alterate" is a good word. Should be added to the dictonary.
What "exclusion" am I trying to use? What "method"? What am I "proposing" to do?
"Someone is going to end up owning my house!!?" Are you a lawyer. ? I can't believe you said that.
That's what I'm trying to prevent -- being sued. People on this website look up to you and I don't think you should be making these statements.
You are WAY out of line here. Your guarantee that people with service animals will be making reservations to our B&B -- WAY, WAY out of line.
People with service animals calling our B&B will be treated with the utmost respect.
.

I am going to say this and be done with it. To read the riot act to Swirt is TOTALLY out of line.
As for a question of potential dog problems - I was one of the main ones to told you the YOU had POTENTIAL problems because of your behemoths. You arethe one who is always in potential danger from lawsuits because of your Saints. My DH was attacked by one while visiting a friend. I know first hand. It did not like the way he walked - with a squeak and a linp from his brace.
I try to be polite but BACK OFF in telling Swirt off!!
.

gillumhouse, some people stay at our B&B cause of the saints. Out of 152 couples, I would say 145 took pictures with the saints and emailed them to me. They have no access to the guests, unless the guests want to meet them.
I am so, so sorry this happened to your hubby. But, you can't think that all saints will attack people. My two wouldn't hurt a fly.
I have a picture of a two year old sharing his ice cream cone with our big guy. The little boy would take a lick, then he would give Duff a lick. and back and forth. The cutest thing you have ever seen. I'll try to post it.

 

[YellowSocks]

EXACTLY my POINT!-- you cannot KNOW what the animal will potentially do. Good reason not to have them in your B&B. Ultimately, humans are responsible for their dogs, and humans are responsible for humans (that's a whole other topic).
Samster, nobody loves animals more than me. I just don't want them in a bed that other guests are paying top dollar for..

Did you read this last point on the ADA website?
Can I exclude an animal that doesn't really seem dangerous but is disruptive to my business?

A: There may be a few circumstances when a public accommodation is not required to accommodate a service animal--that is, when doing so would result in a fundamental alteration to the nature of the business. Generally, this is not likely to occur in restaurants, hotels, retail stores, theaters, concert halls, and sports facilities. But when it does, for example, when a dog barks during a movie, the animal can be excluded.
IF a dog barks, the animal can be excluded. You cannot exclude it because you think it might bark. The second sentence specifically say this exclusion is not likely to occur in hotels. I'd bet the ADA would say that if your dogs got territorial with a service animal, you would be in the wrong for not controlling them. Sorry, but you are on the losing end of this argument.
I don't take dogs but when I was told a blind guest would have a service dog, I took the reservation with no complaint.
.

Yes, I read this. Basically it says that you don't have to accommodate a service animal if doing so will alterate the nature of your business".
A service animal WOULD, ABSOLUTELY, alterate the nature of my business. So there you have it.
.

Yes, I read this. Basically it says that you don't have to accommodate a service animal if doing so will alterate the nature of your business".
A service animal WOULD, ABSOLUTELY, alterate the nature of my business. So there you have it.

I don't think the word alterate is going to win any lawsuits. It specifically says hotels (of which B&B's I am afraid are more similar than not) are exempt from being able to use the exclusion you are trying to use. I am reasonably certain (especially in NY State) that if you ever use this method you are proposing to deny access to a service animal, someone else will end up owning your house.
Honestly, good luck with the argument and you are free to choose your own path, but for anyone else reading this post, the legality of what you are proposing will not hold up. And given the way pages on this site show up in search engines already, I can pretty much guarantee you will have a few people with service animals making reservations just hoping you'll do what you are proposing.
.

Swirt, didn't think you would correct me for spelling a word wrong, lol especially when you knew what I meant. I think "alterate" is a good word. Should be added to the dictonary.
What "exclusion" am I trying to use? What "method"? What am I "proposing" to do?
"Someone is going to end up owning my house!!?" Are you a lawyer. ? I can't believe you said that.
That's what I'm trying to prevent -- being sued. People on this website look up to you and I don't think you should be making these statements.
You are WAY out of line here. Your guarantee that people with service animals will be making reservations to our B&B -- WAY, WAY out of line.
People with service animals calling our B&B will be treated with the utmost respect.
.

I am going to say this and be done with it. To read the riot act to Swirt is TOTALLY out of line.
As for a question of potential dog problems - I was one of the main ones to told you the YOU had POTENTIAL problems because of your behemoths. You arethe one who is always in potential danger from lawsuits because of your Saints. My DH was attacked by one while visiting a friend. I know first hand. It did not like the way he walked - with a squeak and a linp from his brace.
I try to be polite but BACK OFF in telling Swirt off!!
.

gillumhouse, some people stay at our B&B cause of the saints. Out of 152 couples, I would say 145 took pictures with the saints and emailed them to me. They have no access to the guests, unless the guests want to meet them.
I am so, so sorry this happened to your hubby. But, you can't think that all saints will attack people. My two wouldn't hurt a fly.
I have a picture of a two year old sharing his ice cream cone with our big guy. The little boy would take a lick, then he would give Duff a lick. and back and forth. The cutest thing you have ever seen. I'll try to post it.
.

I am curious about the 145 that took pictures with the saints... on your website it says that the dogs are never permitted into the guest areas. As a guest with allergies I would read that and think, OK, I can stay there as the dogs aren't in there. So how do you do it when the guests want to meet the dogs? Do the guests come into your area then? Meet them outside?
=)
Kk.

 

[Samster]

EXACTLY my POINT!-- you cannot KNOW what the animal will potentially do. Good reason not to have them in your B&B. Ultimately, humans are responsible for their dogs, and humans are responsible for humans (that's a whole other topic).
Samster, nobody loves animals more than me. I just don't want them in a bed that other guests are paying top dollar for..

Did you read this last point on the ADA website?
Can I exclude an animal that doesn't really seem dangerous but is disruptive to my business?

A: There may be a few circumstances when a public accommodation is not required to accommodate a service animal--that is, when doing so would result in a fundamental alteration to the nature of the business. Generally, this is not likely to occur in restaurants, hotels, retail stores, theaters, concert halls, and sports facilities. But when it does, for example, when a dog barks during a movie, the animal can be excluded.
IF a dog barks, the animal can be excluded. You cannot exclude it because you think it might bark. The second sentence specifically say this exclusion is not likely to occur in hotels. I'd bet the ADA would say that if your dogs got territorial with a service animal, you would be in the wrong for not controlling them. Sorry, but you are on the losing end of this argument.
I don't take dogs but when I was told a blind guest would have a service dog, I took the reservation with no complaint.
.

Yes, I read this. Basically it says that you don't have to accommodate a service animal if doing so will alterate the nature of your business".
A service animal WOULD, ABSOLUTELY, alterate the nature of my business. So there you have it.
.

Yes, I read this. Basically it says that you don't have to accommodate a service animal if doing so will alterate the nature of your business".
A service animal WOULD, ABSOLUTELY, alterate the nature of my business. So there you have it.

I don't think the word alterate is going to win any lawsuits. It specifically says hotels (of which B&B's I am afraid are more similar than not) are exempt from being able to use the exclusion you are trying to use. I am reasonably certain (especially in NY State) that if you ever use this method you are proposing to deny access to a service animal, someone else will end up owning your house.
Honestly, good luck with the argument and you are free to choose your own path, but for anyone else reading this post, the legality of what you are proposing will not hold up. And given the way pages on this site show up in search engines already, I can pretty much guarantee you will have a few people with service animals making reservations just hoping you'll do what you are proposing.
.

Swirt, didn't think you would correct me for spelling a word wrong, lol especially when you knew what I meant. I think "alterate" is a good word. Should be added to the dictonary.
What "exclusion" am I trying to use? What "method"? What am I "proposing" to do?
"Someone is going to end up owning my house!!?" Are you a lawyer. ? I can't believe you said that.
That's what I'm trying to prevent -- being sued. People on this website look up to you and I don't think you should be making these statements.
You are WAY out of line here. Your guarantee that people with service animals will be making reservations to our B&B -- WAY, WAY out of line.
People with service animals calling our B&B will be treated with the utmost respect.
.

I am going to say this and be done with it. To read the riot act to Swirt is TOTALLY out of line.
As for a question of potential dog problems - I was one of the main ones to told you the YOU had POTENTIAL problems because of your behemoths. You arethe one who is always in potential danger from lawsuits because of your Saints. My DH was attacked by one while visiting a friend. I know first hand. It did not like the way he walked - with a squeak and a linp from his brace.
I try to be polite but BACK OFF in telling Swirt off!!
.

gillumhouse, some people stay at our B&B cause of the saints. Out of 152 couples, I would say 145 took pictures with the saints and emailed them to me. They have no access to the guests, unless the guests want to meet them.
I am so, so sorry this happened to your hubby. But, you can't think that all saints will attack people. My two wouldn't hurt a fly.
I have a picture of a two year old sharing his ice cream cone with our big guy. The little boy would take a lick, then he would give Duff a lick. and back and forth. The cutest thing you have ever seen. I'll try to post it.
.

I'm curious how you took the photos with your dogs as well. Especially since you were so concerned in other posts about dog hair at your place because of "highly allergic" guests.
We have had guests that have said that they booked here over the other B&Bs because we have pictures of our rescued dogs on our web site. They wanted to meet the dogs. We only let the dogs go on the porches for a quick "hello" & explain to our guests that want to meet them that we keep our dogs out of the common areas in the event that guests might be allergic to dogs.

 

[Morticia]

EXACTLY my POINT!-- you cannot KNOW what the animal will potentially do. Good reason not to have them in your B&B. Ultimately, humans are responsible for their dogs, and humans are responsible for humans (that's a whole other topic).
Samster, nobody loves animals more than me. I just don't want them in a bed that other guests are paying top dollar for..

Did you read this last point on the ADA website?
Can I exclude an animal that doesn't really seem dangerous but is disruptive to my business?

A: There may be a few circumstances when a public accommodation is not required to accommodate a service animal--that is, when doing so would result in a fundamental alteration to the nature of the business. Generally, this is not likely to occur in restaurants, hotels, retail stores, theaters, concert halls, and sports facilities. But when it does, for example, when a dog barks during a movie, the animal can be excluded.
IF a dog barks, the animal can be excluded. You cannot exclude it because you think it might bark. The second sentence specifically say this exclusion is not likely to occur in hotels. I'd bet the ADA would say that if your dogs got territorial with a service animal, you would be in the wrong for not controlling them. Sorry, but you are on the losing end of this argument.
I don't take dogs but when I was told a blind guest would have a service dog, I took the reservation with no complaint.
.

Yes, I read this. Basically it says that you don't have to accommodate a service animal if doing so will alterate the nature of your business".
A service animal WOULD, ABSOLUTELY, alterate the nature of my business. So there you have it.
.

Yes, I read this. Basically it says that you don't have to accommodate a service animal if doing so will alterate the nature of your business".
A service animal WOULD, ABSOLUTELY, alterate the nature of my business. So there you have it.

I don't think the word alterate is going to win any lawsuits. It specifically says hotels (of which B&B's I am afraid are more similar than not) are exempt from being able to use the exclusion you are trying to use. I am reasonably certain (especially in NY State) that if you ever use this method you are proposing to deny access to a service animal, someone else will end up owning your house.
Honestly, good luck with the argument and you are free to choose your own path, but for anyone else reading this post, the legality of what you are proposing will not hold up. And given the way pages on this site show up in search engines already, I can pretty much guarantee you will have a few people with service animals making reservations just hoping you'll do what you are proposing.
.

Swirt, didn't think you would correct me for spelling a word wrong, lol especially when you knew what I meant. I think "alterate" is a good word. Should be added to the dictonary.
What "exclusion" am I trying to use? What "method"? What am I "proposing" to do?
"Someone is going to end up owning my house!!?" Are you a lawyer. ? I can't believe you said that.
That's what I'm trying to prevent -- being sued. People on this website look up to you and I don't think you should be making these statements.
You are WAY out of line here. Your guarantee that people with service animals will be making reservations to our B&B -- WAY, WAY out of line.
People with service animals calling our B&B will be treated with the utmost respect.
.

I am going to say this and be done with it. To read the riot act to Swirt is TOTALLY out of line.
As for a question of potential dog problems - I was one of the main ones to told you the YOU had POTENTIAL problems because of your behemoths. You arethe one who is always in potential danger from lawsuits because of your Saints. My DH was attacked by one while visiting a friend. I know first hand. It did not like the way he walked - with a squeak and a linp from his brace.
I try to be polite but BACK OFF in telling Swirt off!!
.

gillumhouse, some people stay at our B&B cause of the saints. Out of 152 couples, I would say 145 took pictures with the saints and emailed them to me. They have no access to the guests, unless the guests want to meet them.
I am so, so sorry this happened to your hubby. But, you can't think that all saints will attack people. My two wouldn't hurt a fly.
I have a picture of a two year old sharing his ice cream cone with our big guy. The little boy would take a lick, then he would give Duff a lick. and back and forth. The cutest thing you have ever seen. I'll try to post it.
.

I am curious about the 145 that took pictures with the saints... on your website it says that the dogs are never permitted into the guest areas. As a guest with allergies I would read that and think, OK, I can stay there as the dogs aren't in there. So how do you do it when the guests want to meet the dogs? Do the guests come into your area then? Meet them outside?
=)
Kk.
.

I am curious about the 145 that took pictures with the saints... on your website it says that the dogs are never permitted into the guest areas. As a guest with allergies I would read that and think, OK, I can stay there as the dogs aren't in there. So how do you do it when the guests want to meet the dogs? Do the guests come into your area then? Meet them outside?
=)
Kk.

We had to turn down a guest request today to meet our dog. Another guest is allergic and I promised her the dog would 'stay home'. I told the guest who wanted to meet our dog she could if the dog was outside.

 

[trishany]

EXACTLY my POINT!-- you cannot KNOW what the animal will potentially do. Good reason not to have them in your B&B. Ultimately, humans are responsible for their dogs, and humans are responsible for humans (that's a whole other topic).
Samster, nobody loves animals more than me. I just don't want them in a bed that other guests are paying top dollar for..

Did you read this last point on the ADA website?
Can I exclude an animal that doesn't really seem dangerous but is disruptive to my business?

A: There may be a few circumstances when a public accommodation is not required to accommodate a service animal--that is, when doing so would result in a fundamental alteration to the nature of the business. Generally, this is not likely to occur in restaurants, hotels, retail stores, theaters, concert halls, and sports facilities. But when it does, for example, when a dog barks during a movie, the animal can be excluded.
IF a dog barks, the animal can be excluded. You cannot exclude it because you think it might bark. The second sentence specifically say this exclusion is not likely to occur in hotels. I'd bet the ADA would say that if your dogs got territorial with a service animal, you would be in the wrong for not controlling them. Sorry, but you are on the losing end of this argument.
I don't take dogs but when I was told a blind guest would have a service dog, I took the reservation with no complaint.
.

Yes, I read this. Basically it says that you don't have to accommodate a service animal if doing so will alterate the nature of your business".
A service animal WOULD, ABSOLUTELY, alterate the nature of my business. So there you have it.
.

Yes, I read this. Basically it says that you don't have to accommodate a service animal if doing so will alterate the nature of your business".
A service animal WOULD, ABSOLUTELY, alterate the nature of my business. So there you have it.

I don't think the word alterate is going to win any lawsuits. It specifically says hotels (of which B&B's I am afraid are more similar than not) are exempt from being able to use the exclusion you are trying to use. I am reasonably certain (especially in NY State) that if you ever use this method you are proposing to deny access to a service animal, someone else will end up owning your house.
Honestly, good luck with the argument and you are free to choose your own path, but for anyone else reading this post, the legality of what you are proposing will not hold up. And given the way pages on this site show up in search engines already, I can pretty much guarantee you will have a few people with service animals making reservations just hoping you'll do what you are proposing.
.

Swirt, didn't think you would correct me for spelling a word wrong, lol especially when you knew what I meant. I think "alterate" is a good word. Should be added to the dictonary.
What "exclusion" am I trying to use? What "method"? What am I "proposing" to do?
"Someone is going to end up owning my house!!?" Are you a lawyer. ? I can't believe you said that.
That's what I'm trying to prevent -- being sued. People on this website look up to you and I don't think you should be making these statements.
You are WAY out of line here. Your guarantee that people with service animals will be making reservations to our B&B -- WAY, WAY out of line.
People with service animals calling our B&B will be treated with the utmost respect.
.

I am going to say this and be done with it. To read the riot act to Swirt is TOTALLY out of line.
As for a question of potential dog problems - I was one of the main ones to told you the YOU had POTENTIAL problems because of your behemoths. You arethe one who is always in potential danger from lawsuits because of your Saints. My DH was attacked by one while visiting a friend. I know first hand. It did not like the way he walked - with a squeak and a linp from his brace.
I try to be polite but BACK OFF in telling Swirt off!!
.

gillumhouse, some people stay at our B&B cause of the saints. Out of 152 couples, I would say 145 took pictures with the saints and emailed them to me. They have no access to the guests, unless the guests want to meet them.
I am so, so sorry this happened to your hubby. But, you can't think that all saints will attack people. My two wouldn't hurt a fly.
I have a picture of a two year old sharing his ice cream cone with our big guy. The little boy would take a lick, then he would give Duff a lick. and back and forth. The cutest thing you have ever seen. I'll try to post it.
.

I am curious about the 145 that took pictures with the saints... on your website it says that the dogs are never permitted into the guest areas. As a guest with allergies I would read that and think, OK, I can stay there as the dogs aren't in there. So how do you do it when the guests want to meet the dogs? Do the guests come into your area then? Meet them outside?
=)
Kk.
.

Hubby installed doors so the saints can't get into the common areas. The guests meet the dogs on the patio in the back.
When guests arrive, I ask them if they would like a tour, or if they would like to go right to there rooms, most of them say "we want to meet the saints". lol

 

[trishany]

EXACTLY my POINT!-- you cannot KNOW what the animal will potentially do. Good reason not to have them in your B&B. Ultimately, humans are responsible for their dogs, and humans are responsible for humans (that's a whole other topic).
Samster, nobody loves animals more than me. I just don't want them in a bed that other guests are paying top dollar for..

Did you read this last point on the ADA website?
Can I exclude an animal that doesn't really seem dangerous but is disruptive to my business?

A: There may be a few circumstances when a public accommodation is not required to accommodate a service animal--that is, when doing so would result in a fundamental alteration to the nature of the business. Generally, this is not likely to occur in restaurants, hotels, retail stores, theaters, concert halls, and sports facilities. But when it does, for example, when a dog barks during a movie, the animal can be excluded.
IF a dog barks, the animal can be excluded. You cannot exclude it because you think it might bark. The second sentence specifically say this exclusion is not likely to occur in hotels. I'd bet the ADA would say that if your dogs got territorial with a service animal, you would be in the wrong for not controlling them. Sorry, but you are on the losing end of this argument.
I don't take dogs but when I was told a blind guest would have a service dog, I took the reservation with no complaint.
.

Yes, I read this. Basically it says that you don't have to accommodate a service animal if doing so will alterate the nature of your business".
A service animal WOULD, ABSOLUTELY, alterate the nature of my business. So there you have it.
.

Yes, I read this. Basically it says that you don't have to accommodate a service animal if doing so will alterate the nature of your business".
A service animal WOULD, ABSOLUTELY, alterate the nature of my business. So there you have it.

I don't think the word alterate is going to win any lawsuits. It specifically says hotels (of which B&B's I am afraid are more similar than not) are exempt from being able to use the exclusion you are trying to use. I am reasonably certain (especially in NY State) that if you ever use this method you are proposing to deny access to a service animal, someone else will end up owning your house.
Honestly, good luck with the argument and you are free to choose your own path, but for anyone else reading this post, the legality of what you are proposing will not hold up. And given the way pages on this site show up in search engines already, I can pretty much guarantee you will have a few people with service animals making reservations just hoping you'll do what you are proposing.
.

Swirt, didn't think you would correct me for spelling a word wrong, lol especially when you knew what I meant. I think "alterate" is a good word. Should be added to the dictonary.
What "exclusion" am I trying to use? What "method"? What am I "proposing" to do?
"Someone is going to end up owning my house!!?" Are you a lawyer. ? I can't believe you said that.
That's what I'm trying to prevent -- being sued. People on this website look up to you and I don't think you should be making these statements.
You are WAY out of line here. Your guarantee that people with service animals will be making reservations to our B&B -- WAY, WAY out of line.
People with service animals calling our B&B will be treated with the utmost respect.
.

I am going to say this and be done with it. To read the riot act to Swirt is TOTALLY out of line.
As for a question of potential dog problems - I was one of the main ones to told you the YOU had POTENTIAL problems because of your behemoths. You arethe one who is always in potential danger from lawsuits because of your Saints. My DH was attacked by one while visiting a friend. I know first hand. It did not like the way he walked - with a squeak and a linp from his brace.
I try to be polite but BACK OFF in telling Swirt off!!
.

gillumhouse, some people stay at our B&B cause of the saints. Out of 152 couples, I would say 145 took pictures with the saints and emailed them to me. They have no access to the guests, unless the guests want to meet them.
I am so, so sorry this happened to your hubby. But, you can't think that all saints will attack people. My two wouldn't hurt a fly.
I have a picture of a two year old sharing his ice cream cone with our big guy. The little boy would take a lick, then he would give Duff a lick. and back and forth. The cutest thing you have ever seen. I'll try to post it.
.

I'm curious how you took the photos with your dogs as well. Especially since you were so concerned in other posts about dog hair at your place because of "highly allergic" guests.
We have had guests that have said that they booked here over the other B&Bs because we have pictures of our rescued dogs on our web site. They wanted to meet the dogs. We only let the dogs go on the porches for a quick "hello" & explain to our guests that want to meet them that we keep our dogs out of the common areas in the event that guests might be allergic to dogs.
.

How I took the photos? Don't understand your question. Since we opened the B&B, the saints do not have access to any of the common guest areas.

 

[trishany]

Hope this link works. gillumhouse please don't think that all saints will attack. This is a picture of our little one with the little two year old. The big guy took his turn too with the ice cream cone. I deleted that picture, but kept this one.
C:\Documents and Settings\Patricia M. Scannell\My Documents\My Picture\timdaisy.jpg

 

[YellowSocks]

Hope this link works. gillumhouse please don't think that all saints will attack. This is a picture of our little one with the little two year old. The big guy took his turn too with the ice cream cone. I deleted that picture, but kept this one.
C:\Documents and Settings\Patricia M. Scannell\My Documents\My Picture\timdaisy.jpg.

please don't think that all saints will attack.

She didn't say all saints will attack. What she said was that any dog, no matter how sweet and loving, can have the potential of danger when confronted with a tall, squeaky, bumping, limping, lopsided man.
=)
Kk.

 

[JunieBJones (JBJ)]

Hope this link works. gillumhouse please don't think that all saints will attack. This is a picture of our little one with the little two year old. The big guy took his turn too with the ice cream cone. I deleted that picture, but kept this one.
C:\Documents and Settings\Patricia M. Scannell\My Documents\My Picture\timdaisy.jpg.

please don't think that all saints will attack.

She didn't say all saints will attack. What she said was that any dog, no matter how sweet and loving, can have the potential of danger when confronted with a tall, squeaky, bumping, limping, lopsided man.
=)
Kk.
.

please don't think that all saints will attack.

She didn't say all saints will attack. What she said was that any dog, no matter how sweet and loving, can have the potential of danger when confronted with a tall, squeaky, bumping, limping, lopsided man.
=)
Kk.

Or a person in a hat. Many dogs have a fear of people in hats. My grandfather was attacked once while wearing a hat. Dogs usually really loved him.

 

[trishany]

Hope this link works. gillumhouse please don't think that all saints will attack. This is a picture of our little one with the little two year old. The big guy took his turn too with the ice cream cone. I deleted that picture, but kept this one.
C:\Documents and Settings\Patricia M. Scannell\My Documents\My Picture\timdaisy.jpg.

please don't think that all saints will attack.

She didn't say all saints will attack. What she said was that any dog, no matter how sweet and loving, can have the potential of danger when confronted with a tall, squeaky, bumping, limping, lopsided man.
=)
Kk.
.

My hubby had 18 surgeries, after he was hit head on by a driver who crossed a double yellow line. The driver who hit him, his wife and a two year old little boy died.
Hubby was in a wheel chair for a year. Didn't work for 2 years. He had 18 surgeries. One foot fused and the other was fused 25%. Plates in both wrists.
We and gillumhouse went thru the same horrendous stuff . He IS a tall, squeaky, bumping, limping, lopsided man.
Wheelchairs, crutches, IV stands, vans picking him up to go to physical therapy, nurses, alot of steel, hospital beds -- I could go on and on, -- none of this phased our saints.
BUT, the subject was if a person with braces or a hat would make our saints attack? pleeeeeeeeeeeease.

 

[JunieBJones (JBJ)]

Hope this link works. gillumhouse please don't think that all saints will attack. This is a picture of our little one with the little two year old. The big guy took his turn too with the ice cream cone. I deleted that picture, but kept this one.
C:\Documents and Settings\Patricia M. Scannell\My Documents\My Picture\timdaisy.jpg.

please don't think that all saints will attack.

She didn't say all saints will attack. What she said was that any dog, no matter how sweet and loving, can have the potential of danger when confronted with a tall, squeaky, bumping, limping, lopsided man.
=)
Kk.
.

My hubby had 18 surgeries, after he was hit head on by a driver who crossed a double yellow line. The driver who hit him, his wife and a two year old little boy died.
Hubby was in a wheel chair for a year. Didn't work for 2 years. He had 18 surgeries. One foot fused and the other was fused 25%. Plates in both wrists.
We and gillumhouse went thru the same horrendous stuff . He IS a tall, squeaky, bumping, limping, lopsided man.
Wheelchairs, crutches, IV stands, vans picking him up to go to physical therapy, nurses, alot of steel, hospital beds -- I could go on and on, -- none of this phased our saints.
BUT, the subject was if a person with braces or a hat would make our saints attack? pleeeeeeeeeeeease.
.

Trish please stop this thread. Please. It is getting way too personal. It is about service dogs, not anyone elses. We have all answered the questions and rehashed them more than enough times.
Each person is responsible for their own B&B and what they do there. Can we please leave it at that?

 

[trishany]

Hope this link works. gillumhouse please don't think that all saints will attack. This is a picture of our little one with the little two year old. The big guy took his turn too with the ice cream cone. I deleted that picture, but kept this one.
C:\Documents and Settings\Patricia M. Scannell\My Documents\My Picture\timdaisy.jpg.

please don't think that all saints will attack.

She didn't say all saints will attack. What she said was that any dog, no matter how sweet and loving, can have the potential of danger when confronted with a tall, squeaky, bumping, limping, lopsided man.
=)
Kk.
.

My hubby had 18 surgeries, after he was hit head on by a driver who crossed a double yellow line. The driver who hit him, his wife and a two year old little boy died.
Hubby was in a wheel chair for a year. Didn't work for 2 years. He had 18 surgeries. One foot fused and the other was fused 25%. Plates in both wrists.
We and gillumhouse went thru the same horrendous stuff . He IS a tall, squeaky, bumping, limping, lopsided man.
Wheelchairs, crutches, IV stands, vans picking him up to go to physical therapy, nurses, alot of steel, hospital beds -- I could go on and on, -- none of this phased our saints.
BUT, the subject was if a person with braces or a hat would make our saints attack? pleeeeeeeeeeeease.
.

Trish please stop this thread. Please. It is getting way too personal. It is about service dogs, not anyone elses. We have all answered the questions and rehashed them more than enough times.
Each person is responsible for their own B&B and what they do there. Can we please leave it at that?
.

Junieb -- You are exactly right! I just felt that I had to "stick up" for saint bernards.
Thanks, hope this is the end!